Ideas, universal truths and theories of meaning

Four intellectual titans discuss life, meaning, symbols, Scientism and more.

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Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron, John Vervaeke, and Jonathan Pageau have a round table discussion for the ages.

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Easily navigate to some of the key highlights by skipping to relevant times below:

[00:00] Preview.
[01:30] Intro.
[02:40] Everyone gives their answer to “What is meaning?”.
[03:30] “We’re using meaning as a metaphor… something similar to the way a sentence works. It has intelligibility to it that connects us to the world… so that we can interact and be informed by it”.
[07:22] “Our mental framing is transparent like a pair of glasses, but there are times we need to step back and, by taking the glasses off and examining them, consider our framing structure”.
[10:06] “When you look at the world there is a central point of focus. When you focus on the point with your eyes it becomes very clear… until we no longer perceive anything by the edge of our vision. It’s nothingness, it’s just not there”.
[14:56] Bishop Barron’s view on meaning and religion.
[15:20] “I would say that meaning is to be in a purposeful relationship to a value.”
[19:20] Pageau’s opening thoughts on meaning and religion.
[20:56] “The reason we perceive hierarchy is because we are always judging… or trying to evaluate whether something’s good”.
[21:31] Jordan’s brief foray into “mini-celebrations”.
[22:53] The idea of revelation.
[25:40] “It isn’t obvious to me that we see objects — we see patterns”.
[28:35] Using music as an way to understand religious experience.
[29:49] Underlying causes of the crisis of meaning.
[31:10] “Something that starts with Scotus… and goes into the heart of the scientific revolution, is that there’s no such thing as levels—reality just is”.
[32:00] Discussion around the hierarchy of intelligibility and connectedness.
[34:00] What is science? Has it become like a religion?
[40:00] “There’s an epistemic hierarchy and science does not belong on the top”.
[43:00] “As scientists, we are motivated by a narrative we don’t understand scientifically… The whole enterprise is driven by a dream whose reality can’t be encapsulated within the process itself”.
[45:00] The ignorance in assuming science OR religion are correct.
[45:40] Eminationist ontologies.
[56:30] Religious experiences.
[01:08:30] The Book of Revelation as a psychedelic experience.
[01:18:30] The Psychedelic problem and why psychedelics are useful in communal experiences.
[01:27:00] Jordan’s biblical lectures.
[01:51:00] Joining religion and science together for progression.

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